Poets’ Talk: “Why Is This World So Sad?” And, “The Armor of God”

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Pope Francis Will Attend the World Meeting of Families–Philadelphia 2015
Pope Francis Will Attend the World Meeting of Families–Philadelphia 2015

By Gary Corseri and Charles Orloski

Gary Corseri
Gary Corseri

[Note: Following is the third installment of a “Poets’ Talk” series between Charles Orloski and myself. E-friends for the past 3 years, both of us “baby-boomers,” Orloski and I have very different backgrounds, but share a love of literature, abiding interests in history, politics and the Zeitgeist, and a belief that informed activism and the Arts (with much luck and perhaps some Providential assistance!) may yet create a more humane, a more sensible, world than 2015’s war-ravaged planet of obscene disparities of wealth and power.  The conversation below is actually a pastiche of “e-talks,” or exchanges, over several weeks, winnowed and woven together to develop themes, a narrative flow, and coherence.—Gary Corseri]

Part One.  A faith-based answer….

GC: Why is this world so sad?  Do you have a religious answer?  A faith-based answer?

Charles Orloski
Charles Orloski

CO: Life is suffering, and the ancient story of John the Baptist and Herod belongs to modern history…. Our “Herod” (POTUS) stands militarily above all other nations, and only Russia seems to stop the U.S. from cutting off (bombing) any head(s) our Controllers desire.

They intimidate the Vatican, and instead of “putting on the armor of God,” (St. Paul), the Roman Catholic Church often acquiesces, and by the “sin of omission,” helps hasten the making of a Rich Man & Lazarus world, an inevitable War of Civilizations.

GC:  I agree.  And I’m thinking these are threads we can address in a future “Poets Talk.”  I don’t think we’ve dealt with religion at all (?!).  Tough subject, but very necessary.  Given your qualms, I wonder: how do you remain in the Church? 

CO: The Roman Catholic right wing is always under fire for their Right to Life position, and hypocritical tolerance of endless war.     Back in the 1970s-1980s-1990s, there was a positive Church concept of the “Seamless Garment,” but, unfortunately, the Vatican drew back from criticizing President Reagan’s wars against the poor in Central America.   Now “Usrael’s” War of TERROR against TERROR [!] is global, is highly technological… and even unborn and NEAR-born babies are being murdered in the sacred name of RESEARCH which will “save lives,” just asthe C.I.A., D.H.S. and the Patriot Act promised.

I am not a Pro-Life activist… because of Pro-Life activists’ commitment to the G.O.P. and lots of “policy” that I do NOT favor….


IslamophobiaVarious social and personal background matters keep me in the Church I was raised in!  I disagree with much, but also like much…. For example, I believe it’s worth re-considering Pope Francis’s recent criticism and warning about Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons.  Quickly, the MSM tore the Pope apart, and soon the electronically connected world witnessed world leaders marching arm-in-arm in Paris.  Back in late-1950s U.S.A., what Francis said—[about not insulting others’ religions, expecting pay-back—“a punch in the nose” if there were such insults]– would have been a moral “given,” but Zionists such as Netanyahu support assaults upon religion, except, of course, their own special version of Judaism.

GC:  I think it’s good to start thinking about what issues to include in a future “Poets’ Talk” on religion.  Certainly, any discussion of Francis will be relevant, especially with his US September trip just 5 months away now.

How far, how deep, we would want to get into issues of abortions, right to life, Zionism, etc., I just don’t know at this time.  Those are issues that could subsume all the others we touch on and elaborate…. Something to ponder…. 

CO: In the highest seats of world wealth & power are BAD (insane) people who are seriously considering how to construct dwellings BEYOND Earth’s limitations…. They’re trying to figure out how to escape the chaos they are creating for the rest of us now!

GC: They’re infesting the public’s mind with images of zombies attacking and eating each other!  What a metaphor for the world they’ve created: Don’t trust your neighbor, or anyone in your own family—he or she may literally devour you!

A few years ago, I read THE SINGULARITY IS NEAR, a book by inventor-scientist-futurologist, Ray Kurzweil.  He posited 3 main areas of profound change by 2030—the year of what he called, “The Singularity”—a year when we shall have achieved such profound, technological changes as to make that “new world” virtually unrecognizable to our world now.  Those 3 areas of incalculable changes were: Genetics, Nano-technology and Robotics.  (He also wrote a fair bit about virtual technologies, and I think he should have included that, as we will soon have battlefields where virtual simulacra replace real tanks and soldiers, and virtual, projected screens confuse the scope of wars.  And, with the Chinese recently producing a 3-D print-out, drivable car for about $1800, and with printable human organs on the near horizon, he might have considered 3-D print-outs, too!)  At any rate, how will that “Ole Time Religion” square with this basically unimaginable world towards which we are racing? 

CO: Come September, I’ll listen carefully to what Pope Francis says, and watch what he does.  As you know, the Vatican is looking at South America and Africa as the most fertile places for Catholic growth on Earth.  They likely SEE, better than us, the full decadence of our nation.   I think Pope Francis would like to build a sort of moral Maginot line around the U.S.A. and much of Western Europe in order to slow down the march of perversity and materialistic FAITH.   There’s no wonder (on my part) as to WHY an American Cardinal is not elected Pope!

Christianity in America has been butchered into so many pieces, and administrations use each particular cut– for example, Prime Rib Baptist, or, maybe, Sirloin Mormon– to their political advantage.  Again, very twisted people like Henry Kissinger run this asylum.

GC: Tentacles already in place….  Under the mountains–directing the missiles, drones, etc. 

On March 24, 1999, Bill Clinton unleashed a disastrous NATO air campaign against Yugoslavia, against the Christian Serbs, against a sovereign nation that did not pose a threat to members of the alliance...
On March 24, 1999, Bill Clinton unleashed a disastrous NATO air campaign against Yugoslavia, against the Christian Serbs, against a sovereign nation that did not pose a threat to members of the alliance…

CO: Rarely, except for those waged by presidents Reagan and the Bushes, have I seen Catholic publications rail against war!  It’s very possible that my reading span was limited, but I was paying particular attention to Clinton’s 78-day bombing campaign against largely Serbian Orthodox Yugoslavia, and can NOT recall a high-level Catholic voice which spoke against that “barbaric” war.  (Note:  A. Solzhenitsyn wrote an OP-ED, published in (I believe) The New York Times, which flatly used the word BARBARIC.)

GC: It makes one wonder: Where do the Kathy Kelly’s, Fathers Berrigan, Oscar Romero’s come from?

During the American Revolution, Quakers and Moravians—who opposed war in all forms—were driven out of their communities, painfully, humiliatingly stripped, tarred and feathered, possessions appropriated, made to sign loyalty oaths (in which they did not believe—taking the name of God in vain, bearing false witness, etc.).  Truth-tellers and peaceniks have always had a hard time and sometimes were killed for their ethics!

CO: It is a rather pathetic aspect of the Vatican that they are deeply embroiled in financial misdeeds, and are slowly making a come-back from the MSM’s trouncing of criminal, pedophile priests.  That trouncing and that sinful behavior eventuated in institutional timidity, fear, and stupidity which watered-down their moral voice, and their subsequent ability to minister to larger communities.  Today, as I understand it, the Roman Catholic Church is counting on a revival in Africa and South America– places where the U.S. military/CIA boot stomps down. As “Usrael” pivots east for profits, the Vatican pivots below the equator, where capitalism has great success in controlling the poor “flock.”

GC: I still wonder how you manage to maintain your membership?  Or, is your branch of Christianity so different? 

It’s not just the Church, of course….A spiritual vacuum eats away at progressive ideology and actions.  I think one of the great, historic phenomena of the 20th Century was the secularization of life—certainly in the “developed” countries.  What did that get us?  Existentialism?I think there is a definite need for a transcendent belief system now.  I think both Orwell and Huxley addressed this need, this absence, in different ways. 

CO: A need for a transcendent belief system?  Yes, but I believe that’s being imposed by the 1% oligarchs and multi-national corporations!  Under their enslavement rules, they promise to keep people safe, secure, entertained, and intoxicated.

GC: Their System has worked for a long time… and we have 2 world wars, a Cold War, War on Terror, environmental devastation to show for it!  How to re-set? 

CO:  I want to return to your first question… about the sadness of life….  It’s so basic, so central to our humanity—to understand that, how we position ourselves to that reality.

Torah reading...
Torah reading…

Some quick background first…. As a Byzantine Catholic, I believe what Paul said of Christ: that the fruit of Christ and the Gospel is to MAKE people happy.   Of course, this requires suspension of proof, and to quote Paul again, “Faith is belief in things not seen.”  (I’ll note here that arch-liberals have hated the writings of Paul because he took harsh positions & formed LAWS governing Christian conduct in common with the Jewish law (Torah). 

GC: For those very reasons, I haven’t been fond of him, either!

CO: The Gospel words of Jesus advise humanity to “become like little children.” To me, this advice means retention of innocence, wonderment, fragility — the knowing of a need for love and care.  My job as a school-bus driver brings me into daily contact with little children, and it’s quite evident that their happiness is a mood (condition) which doesn’t need serious, reflective thought.  Soon, all these children’s intellects will develop and they’ll become just like ME:suffering the loss of life’s wonders, getting hurt by love and hatred, and learning that their bodies are NOT made forever.

Soon, of course, a sadness sets in, and to quote C.S. Lewis, life is one of “peaks and troughs,” and given a balance of mental health, a person experiences happiness (joy) and sadness at different life intervals.   Most Westerners are aware of the Book of Job and how Job’s long suffering resulted from a deal made by the Almighty and the Deceiver– a test of faith and will.

Personally, one of my lifetime’s most tragic examples of apparently senseless suffering is that of Steven Stayner.  At 14, in 1972, Steven was kidnapped, held for 7-years.  Then,in April, 2010, he died after a motorcycle accident….To me, a believer, sadness is a basic and, perhaps, necessary trait of the human condition.  In times of grief and pain, one’s faith gets TESTED; but in most cases, love and memories endure.

Shock & Awe bombing of Iraq
Bush 2003 Shock and Awe bombing of Iraq

There are lots of experiences which should evoke human sadness; for example, the W. Bush barbaric Shock & Awe attack upon Baghdad!  The U.S. mindset is so conditioned to materialism, violence, drugs, porno, and pleasures-of-the-moment that it becomes a virtual impossibility for even INTELLIGENT people to “become as little children”– innocent, love-giving/love-seeking, capable of wondering at sunset and stars, and appreciating a brook running through a field. 

“How to re-set?” you ask….  Must start on the individual level, aggressively reject everything our Rulers want us to be.   Once again, I am skeptical of “revolution” ever since reading Orwell’s Animal Farm.  In fact, because of the ramped-up level of brainwashing in the U.S. Empire, I think that our Rulers will give us a revolution… under their control!

GC: I agree.  The problem, again, is discernment/awareness.  Most Americans can’t discern, can’t distinguish between what our Rulers want us to be and other choices.  Our “education” is B.S.!  We live in a Bernaysian world of conditioning.  In Brave New World, it’s pre-natal conditioning.  In the US today, it’s conditioning from birth!  (Of course, if one considers the nutrition of the mother to be an essential element in the formation of a healthy fetus and baby—we have pre-natal conditioning here and elsewhere, too!)

CO: That problem of “discernment” reminds me of this quote from Orwell:  “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”

Brave New World is a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley and published in 1932. Set in London of AD 2540, the novel anticipates developments in reproductive technology...
Brave New World is a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley and published in 1932. Set in London of AD 2540, the novel anticipates developments in reproductive technology…

Orwell showed Big Brother in immaculately full color, hard-handed action, and for me Huxley’s Brave New World dystopia was a PROCESS, more sophisticated and reliant upon capabilities of science & SOMA-conditioning in order to effectively mold and control humanity for the worst.

GC: Orwell pretty much did himself in, neglecting a medical condition until he called it quits with this sad planet when he was 50!  Huxley lived to age 69, and, fittingly, died on that day that changed the world–November 22, 1963!

In his later years, Huxley experimented with various drugs, and became a strong advocate for controlled, or monitored, use of LSD.  In books like Brave New World Revisited and The Doors of Perception, he’s very positive about peyote, LSD and other hallucinogens for advancing human consciousness.  (I believe he died while under the influence of LSD–as he had requested!)

Given the various kinds of insanity that plague our modern world (most recently, the Germanwings co-pilot’s), perhaps some sort of “soma” (whichHuxley saw as a brief vacation from the stress and strain of modernity) is not a bad idea!

CO:   I did not know much about Huxley’s life and work beyond Brave New World.   Remarkable how he and Dr. Timothy Leary could take L.S.D. and maintain control.

GC: Hux probably kept better control than most… but one thing he liked about the drugs he took was NOT being in full control!

CO: Hunter S. Thompson used all kinds of drugs, drank effusively, wrote highly literate & wild books & articles, shot himself to get away from… I’m unsure what….

GC: I didn’t know Thompson had killed himself….  (My friend, Joe Bageant, hung out with him for a while….)

CO: Maybe Hunter just wanted to get out of the physical stress & strain “here,” but I believe we move on… to a better place where once-brainwashed brains operate at optimal function, with clear understanding of what “I” WAS– no kidney stones, bad tickers, shot lungs, just YOU and whatever is….

GC: I like to believe that, too; that spirit continues…, and we have learned from this life’s experience.  I hardly see the point if we’re not learning!  Kind of like “Pascal’s Gamble”– if it’s not so, you lose this little life and that’s that; if it’s so, you gain Eternity.  (Emily Bronte explored that theme in her poem, “No Coward Soul.”)

Part Two.  “The Armor of God”

CO: I’m glad our conversation has entered what Shusaku Endo called, “Deep Water.”  

GC: If poets can’t get us into deep water, and help us swim around a bit, who can?

CO:  Continuing, then: I don’t KNOW exactly what Paul meant when writing, “Put on all the armor that God gives you…. For we are not fighting against human beings, but against the wicked spiritual forces in the heavenly world, the rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers of this dark age.”  Ephesians 6: 10-12.
Because I see bad things happen in ordinary life, and because I read about worse historical things which happened in the past, and because I do BELIEVE…, I plan to go to the mat with Paul’s assessment & advice, above.   But what is God’s armor?

War quote

I suppose Kathy Kelly wears such garment inside her cell.  However, there were many Christians assigned to labor camps, firing squads, who likely tried to put on the armor of God, and such armor did NOT stop batons, bullets, torture, etc.  In fact, history displays Christians who wore the armor of the Evil One, and massacred people in the name of their unarmed Christ.  I shudder to think of all the spiritual Jews and Christians inside concentration camps, the ovens only 100 yards away, and praying for divine help (armor) which never came.

GC: You’re raising fundamental, and disturbing, questions, about “faith.”I’ve often wondered: how do people continue to believe when, gathered all together in a church in the Philippines during the last tsunami, the church is leveled and all the worshippers killed?  Would it not have made better sense to head for higher ground (if possible–and sometimes, it was!)  Isn’t sensibility also the “armor of God”?

So often “faith” has not proved a very serviceable “armor”!  So…, “Science” comes along and says, “Forget ‘faith,’ trust me!”  And we have a brief “Age of Enlightenment,” followed by centuries of improved weapons-systems, imperialism, colonialism, slavery, neo-liberalism and the whole shebang of this “modern” world delivering us to the brink of Apocalypse.  Is there no way to reconcile our Left and Right brains?  Job asked, “Where is wisdom to be found?”

Is this present period worse than historic periods?  Obviously, it’s better than some….  I can’t imagine the world wars, for example, and the concomitant Russian Revolution–when scores of millions were killed and terrorized.  We are far from that… but we can imagine even worse imminent cataclysms!  How does the knowledge of so much DARKNESS in our past, as well as fear of our unfolding futures affect the human psyche now?

CO: For me, the Gospels are a base, a foundation…. Of course, I’ve also been influenced by the great authors I’ve read over my lifetime.  Their world, their ideas, have also been part of my “armor of God”—my faith.

I hope not to lose my mind, grow MAD!   As a volunteer (1980s) at Clarks Summit State Hospital, for the insane (Geriatric ward), one of the saddest things I saw was a married couple (in their 80s), drugged-up on lithium and a nurse pushing them (in wheel chairs), window-to-window.    Every now and then, the husband would get riled, stand, and rush to a window and begin to scream at kids outside, bouncing a ball, stepping on his grass!  But… there were no kids outdoors; all were figments of his imagination.   His spouse would rise, cry, and pitifully urge her husband to “calm down, they’ll soon leave.”  Then, my commitment to “keep the faith” was tested, and these days, my having become somewhat intellectual, I’ve become LESS the child.

Religions teach abnegation, denial of the world’s joys, as well as its sadness. Jesus taught, “My Kingdom is not of this world,” and I suppose that includes both Disney World and hellhole shelters for junkies. In the Gospels, one gets a sense of paradox, opposites; for example: “lose life and you shall gain life.”

GC: I do believe there is great truth in paradoxes!

CO: I liked how Solzhenitsyn (with a broad brush) described the Russian character, “Russians do not get too ‘up’ during good times, and do not get too ‘down’ during bad times.”  A balance of moods, emotions seems to be an ideal trait which I cannot regularly achieve!

Balance-thats-the-secret

GC:  I’m a great believer in striving for “balance,” too.  Almost a mantra for me since getting into Lao Tzu in my early 20s (and perhaps having something to do with my hybridic background).

I wonder now if this diverse, multifarious world can find its way to balance?  The religions of the world—whether Abrahamic, Asian, African, Latin American, Australian, European variously describe Edenic worlds that were lost because of human transgressions—similar stories everywhere about avarice and greed, lust, stupidity and violence…. 

Religions have united people, brought various tribal groups together, and almost as quickly and inevitably divided them.  Thanks to the new technologies of the past 20 years or so, we’re more united now than ever, but the old demons of greed and avarice, fear and ignorance, divide us into tribes and classes.  Shall we find our way through the Labyrinth?  This present moment rests precariously upon the infinite fulcrum of time past under the infinite illusion of time to come….

My cousin in Sicily sent me a birthday greeting recently, quoting the French-Lithuanian-Jewish philosopher, Emmanuel Levinas.  Vincenzo had rendered the quote in his native Italian: “La mialiberta non ha l’ultimaparola; io non sono sola.”  (“My own liberty is not the last word; I am not alone.”)

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Gary Corseri has performed his work at the Carter Presidential Library, and his dramas have been produced on PBS-Atlanta and elsewhere.  He has published novels and collections of poetry, has taught in US public schools and prisons and in US and Japanese universities.  His work has appeared at Veterans News Now, My Catbird Seat, The New York Times and hundreds of publications and websites worldwide.  Contact: [email protected].

Charles Orloski is a poet living in Taylor, Pennsylvania.  His prose and poems have appeared at CounterPunch, LA Progressive, Countercurrents, Hollywood Progressive, Dissident Voice and elsewhere.


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A review of Paul Craig Roberts’ How America Was Lost: from 9/11 to the Police/Warfare State

A Conversation with Henry David Thoreau

 

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  1. Thanks for continuing the dialogue, Debbie.

    When I taught Creative Writing in universities some years back, I used to tell my students that the secret of becoming a good writer could be expressed in 6 words: “Read, read, read; write, write, write.”

    That was my mantra to encourage them.

    Of course, it goes deeper than that. What should we read? How do we reflect upon what we read? How do we pull our experiences–including the vicarious ones like reading, movies, music–into a dynamic, vital whole?

    The Oresteia is foundational for understanding the evolution of Western psychology. (Freud and Jung were both wise to look to the ancient stories as they developed their modern theories and systems.) A major problem of our contemporary world has been a failure to look back to our foundational myths–and to integrate those myths and stories into our present world of accelerating, mind-boggling changes. (Great writers like O’Neill have always been “hip” to the challenge!)

    And where and how does “democracy”–that aspirational and inspirational political system that began in striving, but flawed, Athens 2 and 1/2 millennia ago–where and how does it manifest now?

  2. True Gary.

    But, Blood does not sleep! That is reason why more people should read the Aeschylus trilogy on the House of Atreus.

    “We claim to be just and upright. No wrath from us will come stealthily to the one who holds out clean hands, and he will go through life unharmed; but whoever sins and hides his bloodstained hands, as avengers of bloodshed we appear against him to the end, presenting ourselves as upright witnesses for the dead.” –Aeschylus, Eumenides 470 BC

    The principle of Athena who resolved the problem has been the base of all of Western Civilization, as it might have been/could have been/should have been but fell short of, simply because too few Westerners, Americans in particular, have never read the Classics, and do not know the history or the founding morals and myths of their culture.

    Few Easterners have read them, but that they have forgotten their own cultural foundation values, upon which Athena built, is inexcusable!

    Some time ago I made reference to Greek Myth, Literature and History as it treated the price and consequences of “blood feuds” and vengeance.

    I suggest a re-reading of all, starting with the Oresteia, Aeschylus’ stories of the tragedy of The House of Atreus. Perhaps prefaced by the lament of Ezra Pound: Cantico del Sole

    The Trilogy “Oresteia.” Jean-Paul Sartre’s “The Flies” and Littell’s latest novel (in French), entitled “The Kindly Ones” were both inspired by the Aeschylus masterpiece. Eugene O’Neill’s “Mourning Becomes Electra,” too.

    Read, read, read!

  3. Thank you for your comments, Debbie.

    If this dialogic piece spun some wheels in your thoughtful mind, I’m glad to have been part of the process!

    Personally, I don’t put much credence in the Old Testament God of Vengeance (“Vengeance is mine,” sayeth the Lord), “His” prescriptions and proscriptions. I’m very fond of the Book of Job, posing its moral conundrums, and I like some of the poetry in the Song of Songs and the Psalms. I’m also very fond of the books attributed to Solomon–Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. In the New Testament, I like the rabbi, Jesus of Nazareth, who was probably an Essene, and really riled the Sanhedrin–the Neocons of his day–with some fairly basic moral principles.

    I think Freud was a pioneer who got people thinking about the mind, after long detours into the materialistic world of the Industrial Revolution. Like most “pioneers,” Freud rediscovered territory that had already been mapped out &/or explored by others–in his case by the ancient Greeks, with mythic (and mythological!) writers like Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides. Ironically, Freud got “hung up” or obsessed over some of his own ideas–the role of sex in human affairs, for example (surely important, but not all-important for most people for most of their lives!) Jung added vital dimensions of mysticism–archetypes and “collective unconscious,” etc.

    I agree with you that we “must make the time to read,” but I think we must make the time to find good teachers–even more necessary than merely reading. We need to learn how to read and to think, to question and challenge–and it’s a lifelong journey.

  4. While I harbor some reservations about how concerned or involved God really is in our worldly affairs. I think the God made the sandbox for reasons of His own which He has not bothered to explain to us, put us all in it, installed batteries of dubious quality and limited capacity which are not rechargeable, turned us all on and is sitting by unconcerned and waiting to see what we make of it.

    About the first thing we did was to start building a tower which He had to knock down but, other than that, except for a few personal miracles and blessings which He has bestowed upon me personally, I do not see his hand in much of it, as much as our own mishandling of earthly affairs.

  5. Karl Jung and Freud’s work.

    Karl Jung extends his and Freud’s work with the individual mind to incorporate a “Collective Conscienceless” which operates on what has since become known as “Group think” and the psychology of large masses of people, and in essence, explains what has made Jewry and Jews the tightly knitted, psychotic folk they are today. Chinese? Japanese?

    The same principle of “Collective Consciousness” can be used to explain and predict large number social behavior in groups, such as religious, political or cultural groups, and even, with some degree of accurate, tribal or family groups. It is based upon, of course, what behaviorists call, “social modeling,” i.e, newborns and learners taking models of behavior and absorbing knowledge and belief from their immediate social (cultural) surroundings, the people among their family and neighbors with whom they inter-course and from whom they learn.

    Sort of what Gilad Atzmon is talking about when he says “…with so many people all brought up and educated believing the same thing, you do not really need a conspiracy.”

    Basically, Freud, Jung and Horney were merely formalizing in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries what Jewish mothers had known for millenia.

    One must make the time to read, if necessary for, good reading will bear fruit which will free up and provide more time for doing and eliminate all that otherwise wasted time trying to figure out what is happening and why it is happening that way.

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